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Wednesday, September 10, 2008

 
Faith-Based Science or Science-Based Ignorance?

The Large Hadron Collider, the largest supercollider ever built, began running tests this morning.  Physicists can now peer into the inner-workings of the universe by charging protons with up to 20 terra-electron-volts of energy and then smashing them together in a 17-mile long underground tunnel.  This will allow significant advances in particle physics, including the possibly discovery of the illusive "Higgs boson"---a particle predicted by the Big Bang theory but currently unobserved.  The LHC will also provide insight into dark energy, dark matter, string theory, supersymmetry, and a whole host of other issues that most people would fail to recognize as significant.

While it is tempting to dismiss the LHC as a waste of time and money (a $5 billion price tag!), the truth is that particle physics can and probably will grant us significant technological breakthroughs (beyond giving the sci-fi genre more material).  That doesn't mean that we'll be flying around the galaxy in wormholes anytime soon, but it does mean that we'll be pushing into unknown territory.  Why does that matter?  I do believe that science and technology are one way that man can obey the dominion mandate (Gen. 1:28, see also Prov. 25:2).  Furthermore, to explore the universe is to learn more about the beauty and majesty of God, and I think this provides the scientist with a unique opportunity to glorify God.  Most scientists today, however, seem to be "futile in their thoughts" and without thanks towards God.

As I mentioned, the LHC ran its first full-scale test this morning.  Contrary to the doomsday-preaching of some wary scientists and ignorant laymen, the LHC did not create a mini-black hole that would destroy the earth.  Nevertheless, as I read an article about these concerns, a comment by Dr. Charles King of Pund-IT struck me: "I believe that much of the public reaction to the LHC is grounded in a kind of ignorance that might be called 'Faith-Based Science,' or F-BS for short."  We see, then, that Dr. King, like many other modernists, defines faith as irrational belief.  I wanted to challenge him on that point, so I sent him the following email:

Mr. King,
     I would like to point out two errors in one of your statements quoted in a news story on the Large Hadron Collider.  In it you stated, "I believe that much of the public reaction to the LHC is grounded in a kind of ignorance that might be called 'Faith-Based Science,' or F-BS for short."  I assume that you meant to tie in this ignorance with the same "ignorance" that typifies creationists.  In other words, your statement is fairly straightforward jab at creationists, especially Christians.
     First, it is intriguing that you claim that those who fear the LHC are people of faith, when in fact you know full well that the doomsday-theorists (primarily Walter Wagner and Luis Sancho) have in no way tied their scare campaign to religion.  Indeed, they are probably secularists.  Bible-believing Christians would have no fear concerning an early demise for Earth seeing as the Bible teaches that God will destroy the earth, not a supercollider (2 Pet. 3:10).
     Second, and more importantly, is the irony of your insinuation that faith is ignorance and science is knowledge.  I gather from this that you have neither studied the biblical view of faith nor philosophy of science.
    
The Bible presents faith as knowledge: a justified belief in who God is and what He has done in history (1 Cor. 15:13-14).  Indeed, revelation is the foundation of knowledge (Prov. 1:7, Col. 2:3, 1 Sam. 2:3), because all true propositions must be grounded in an eternal, omniscient mind.  Consequently, to know a proposition is to simply think God's thoughts after Him (to paraphrase Kepler).  Biblical propositions are justifiable (and therefore knowledge) because they were revealed to us by a God who cannot lie (Heb. 6:13-19, John 8:13-15, 17:17).
     Science, on the other hand, can never furnish man with knowledge.  As any philosopher of science knows, the scientific method utilizes induction.  Inductive inferences always assert the consequent.  Asserting the consequent, of course, is a formal fallacy.  Inferences obtained through science are useful only because we presuppose the uniformity of nature.  We can only justify such a presupposition through scripture, however, because we know that an orderly God created and maintains the universe in an orderly fashion (Gen. 8:22, Col. 1:15-17).  Hence science actually presupposes the truth of Christianity.  The only intellectually-consistent scientists, therefore, are those with faith in scripture.
     Science does not grant us knowledge, only rational inferences.  Knowledge by definition is justified, true belief.  Since rational inferences are unjustifiable, they cannot count as knowledge.  To think otherwise is to crucify logic.  You see, then, the astonishing naiveté of building an epistemology on science—and yet many scientists and philosophers since the Enlightenment have done just that (e.g., logical positivism).
     And while the LHC may give us insight into particle physics, it will never validate the Big Bang theory (BBT) as a rational inference.  The BBT requires assumptions about the past that cannot be tested by science.  (Indeed, no historical event can be tested by science, which is one of the reasons why intelligent design is also unscientific.)  These assumptions are unjustified opinion at best, and so is the BBT.  Asserting that evidence like the Cosmic Microwave Background radiation supports the BBT only begs the question because such evidence must be interpreted through a naturalistic paradigm beforehand.  Consequently, scientific evidence may show that a scientific model is consistent but it cannot show that it is true.
     In conclusion, Mr. King, I hope you can see that the exact opposite of your statement is true: faith is knowledge, and the belief that science is knowledge is ignorance.

Sincerely,
Keith
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Bravo!
Posted 9/11/2008 11:43 AM by SisterIrene - reply

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I know how to be a good witness vs a bad one. And what the reason why nobody at my college are so against christianity is because of people bible thumping on the street. What they don't need is another christian group out there judging them on what they did or didnt do and because of this we are trying to shed a little bit of light for the college folks because they have been hassled by people from westboro and landover. Imagine being yelled at by a street preacher saying that you're going to hell, what would you're impression be of christians from now on? If all people heard was hell, hell, hell, do you think that they want to hear more of it? if you were to try to witness to those same people that were scarred from being judged that they were damned, would you try witness to them using near same methods that destroyed the image, or would u try something new? I do love the people here, but i know what they've gone through and i'm not going to reopen wounds by just plain out tell them that they are going to hell. Though, when I witness, I do tell them that I love him/her and don't ever want them to go to hell, but if they don't accept Christ, then they will be condemned. We do know how to witness, and passing out free stuff is the way to go on a college campus. Jesus tells us in Matthew 10:42 to pass out a cup of cold water in His name, we figured that a snack, coffee, or hot chocolate, is just as good, as well as cold water. People stop by and ask why we are doing, and we tell them that Jesus loves them and that is planting the seed right there. We are out there very early in the morning every tuesday and wednesday which is hard for my fellow students and leaders because they DONT have to be there to do this, because they could just sleep in which is valuable for college students, but we do because we are sent by God to. I never said anything about the Great Commission, but we are following this solidly when we are out passing out free stuff and telling people that we love them and God does too. The result? In such a liberal and secular school, we find at least 1 is saved each month, which is a tremendous effort here. We let them know that there is a hell and that we really don't want them to go there and that is why we do pass out free stuff. I was told that this is by far the largest growth that we've seen in the campus ministry and that despite all the campus ministry losing members each week at the school, ours and the ever awesome Cru has been keeping steady and growing.
I just went back and checked and realized that my other post apologizing and reiterating that "not all street preaching is bad, but most is" is not there.. oops.. i should probably re-post that


Be careful when your accusing this of not being of the Word. When it's getting people saved and you're questioning it, you are the one that is judging and questioning.

Let me rephrase this sentence a bit better
I'd THAT is real seed planting there, not some bullcrap "You're going to hell!" "You had sex before marriage you're going to hell!" You had an abortion, Your going to hell"
long after the people that they just accused left.. they yell "repent"

by the way.. i study the Bible and I've been through conferences and meetings on how we can reach out better.... every thought that my comments may have a second meaning because I dont speak english as well because i wasnt born into an English speaking family?
Posted 9/13/2008 8:01 PM by shane_y2 - reply

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Thank you for the response.

Do you believe that I am saved?
Do you believe that your parents are saved?
Do you believe that your pastor is saved?
Do you believe that your best friends are saved?

Whether you answer yes or no to any of these, you have judged their salvation. You always judge others' salvation. What you are whining about is when *I* judge the salvation of someone, especially if that judgment is negative. But do we avoid judgments? You throw around terms that you do not understand. Have you not read in John 7:24 that we are supposed to "judge righteous judgment," which means we are supposed to judge righteously. We must not judge according to appearance or extrabiblical opinion. And we know that hypocritical judgment is condemned by God (Matt. 7:1-15).

every thought that my comments may have a second meaning because I dont speak english as well because i wasnt born into an English speaking family?

If we are supposed to assume that all of your comments have a second meaning then how is anyone going to know what you mean to say? It is disingenuous for you to speak at all, then. Regardless, you have fine English and I can understand what you are saying.

By the way, it is childish to respond on someone's Xanga and then block them. If you do not want to converse then why did post this comment?
Posted 9/13/2008 10:02 PM by razzendahcuben - reply

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Excellent article!
Posted 9/17/2008 8:44 AM by RobinzRantz Xanga True Member Xanga Premium Member - reply

Good stuff, Keith.  Keep up the good work fighting for the historical reliability of Genesis! 

Jay Dyer

Posted 10/3/2008 12:31 PM by Jay Dyer (site) - reply

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Good article brother! Time for another one me thinks!!!
Posted 12/19/2008 9:30 PM by MC_Shann Xanga True Member - reply

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Hello Keith,
You made your site simple yet elegant. I see that you have a wide variety of interests and observations here!
I like to write articles about God and religion on my site to help people to really get to know God, especially in these troubled times. 13 "Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: In my wrath I will unleash a violent wind, and in my anger hailstones and torrents of rain will fall with destructive fury." (Ezekiel 13:13) (NIV)

Posted 12/25/2008 2:09 AM by Bible_Wisdom Xanga True Member - reply

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Thanks for taking the time to comment on my post at ReveLife.

"You know you've written something incorrect about Christianity if the rest of the world agrees with you. "  Usually true, which is why I've taken comfort in the fact that I've gotten a great deal of disagreement on this post.  I say "usually" because "the rest of the world will agree" you should love your neighbor...but that also happes to be to correct about Christianity.

"All you've done is cherry-picked verses to criticize Christians who actually talk about sin."  First, had to resort to cherry picking because referencing "The Bible" would have gotten too many people saying "Where does it say that?!" because they can't pick up a Bible on their own.  Second, I'm not criticizing Christians who talk about a sin, I'm criticizing the ones who literally scream in people's faces....that they're screaming about sin wasn't exactly the issue.  It was their approach that I was attacking.

"Moreover, much of what you present is caricature.  You need to give better examples than caps-lock screaming idiots..."   Exactly how often do you frequent the ReveLife comments?  Because these "caricture"s are real people (granted without the names attached).  And the "caps-lock screaming idiots" are everywhere.  I was not saying that all Christians were like them, but that it is the professing Christians who act like this that give us a bad name.

If you don't like it you could try stopping the people who do it instead of telling me how ridiculous they are.  I, and almost everyone else, already know they're ridiculous.

Posted 3/3/2009 6:31 PM by princess1505angel - reply

Hey Keith...

I ran across your Xanga... again... when someone on Facebook had a pet lizard named "Razzendakuben." I thought to myself "Where have I heard that name before?" A quick Google search pulled your website out of the ether.

Thanks for organising your blog posts. Your investment in the rest of us is appreciated.

Daniel K.
Posted 4/25/2009 9:30 PM by DK (site) - reply


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